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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:10 pm    Post subject: Rear shocks. What cha' rockin'? Reply with quote

2006 LX-SV, 98,500 miles

I replaced the original rear shocks 4,000 miles and 7 months ago.
I installed Monroe OE Spectrum that I picked up from RockAuto for about $75 or so.

I'm disappointed with the OE Spectrums. They are VERY soft already. I'd go so far as to say dangerously soft.

Contacted RockAuto and they offered replacement via Monroe's "lifetime warranty" but I'd have to purchase a new set of the same OE Spectrums. Then I'd have to send back the old set and then get a refund.

I went to install the replacements this afternoon and stopped the install after removing the 1st set and comparing them to the new replacements. They feel the exact same.

So, I think I'd be better off returning the replacements and buying something else. I'll be in the hole.

So what do you have? I prefer a firm ride, but not harsh. This is a stock people mover.

'06 MPV-LX, '10 Mazda3;
'60 Volvo PV544, '68 122S, '70 145S, '86 745T, '95 854T, '01 S40;
'84 Prelude.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 1:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Rear shocks. What cha' rockin'? Reply with quote

I was just complaining of this minutes ago on another thread. I just put Monroe spectrums on all corners. I am calling Monroe tomorrow for the rear is terribly mismatched. I'm thinking the original Tokicos if I can find them.....

I'll be in touch...it's good to know that new ones are the same, for my bet is that they'll send another pair. Just backing out of my garage (a 1.5" lip) seems way too bouncy. I've had this van almost 6 years and this rear bounce is worse than my worn originals.

I've got an '04 ES with 170k miles.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 2:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Rear shocks. What cha' rockin'? Reply with quote

burntorange84 wrote:
Just backing out of my garage (a 1.5" lip) seems way too bouncy. I've had this van almost 6 years and this rear bounce is worse than my worn originals.


Ha ha. That's exactly how I noticed something weird a few months ago with the OE Spectrums!

And I agree. I wish I didn't throw out the originals. Sad

'06 MPV-LX, '10 Mazda3;
'60 Volvo PV544, '68 122S, '70 145S, '86 745T, '95 854T, '01 S40;
'84 Prelude.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 3:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Rear shocks. What cha' rockin'? Reply with quote

At close to 350k miles ... the originals. 2000.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 3:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Rear shocks. What cha' rockin'? Reply with quote

I've still got the originals; I just completed this last weekend and drove to Houston and back yesterday with the family. The ride was smooth but big bumps at highway speed is almost scary now that the front is nice and firm.

Depending on Monroe's customer service, I assume i'll need another brand. I doubt they'll transfer me to the engineering dept and the guy will say, let me go check a shock / yes just use this higher valved one, it will bolt right on.

KYB and Monroe is all I could easily find. KYB's were great on a few vehicles but very poor on others. I like the Bilsteins on my truck and mustang; couldn't find them made for our vans Sad

Good timing BTW; I'm thinking I might need Mazda originals. I've wondered if they changed the rear springs on the later vans; I got a MPV cause my inlaws had a '00 that they put 300k on and was still a good van. I remember 7 adults on a road trips and being impressed on how well the rear controlled the bumps with three adults in the backseat. MY '04 never seemed that firm but not bad...until this shock with my 5 little kiddos loaded up on this last trip. It is poorly valved for this application & unacceptable imo.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 5:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Rear shocks. What cha' rockin'? Reply with quote

I've got an email in to rock auto.
But I'm thinking along the same lines as you. Got a trip coming up and will consider just going with factory parts.

They served me well for almost 100,000 miles, so I can justify the extra cost. Have a 15 percent off coupon from the local dealer too.

'06 MPV-LX, '10 Mazda3;
'60 Volvo PV544, '68 122S, '70 145S, '86 745T, '95 854T, '01 S40;
'84 Prelude.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Rear shocks. What cha' rockin'? Reply with quote

im riding on kybs i bought on sale from amazon, ive put in about 20k so far i like them. I olny made the chanfe because i lowered my van and decided to do it all at once. In addition i added airlift bags to the rear for load support
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Added Suspension: Carbing Tower Bar, TEIN Stechs, Airlift Airbags, Energy Suspension Bushings

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 1:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Rear shocks. What cha' rockin'? Reply with quote

So Monroe is going to send me a new pair, in about 2 weeks I should get them. Trevor the tech guy said they will inspect the olds ones as I send them back for evaluation. I will probably put my originals back on in the mean time if I get a chance.

Alschnertz, I suggest you call also. It would help to have real people alert them of the problem. Let me know and I'll PM the claim # to you.

I still feel I'll be buying Mazda originals in about two weeks but the CS seemed good so far, so I'm willing to swap pair for them. The tech guy wants to make sure they are correct.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 4:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Rear shocks. What cha' rockin'? Reply with quote

burntorange84 - Private message sent.
'06 MPV-LX, '10 Mazda3;
'60 Volvo PV544, '68 122S, '70 145S, '86 745T, '95 854T, '01 S40;
'84 Prelude.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Rear shocks. What cha' rockin'? Reply with quote

I didn't get a PM but I sent you one.

BTW: I just re-removed my front struts last night. I used new KYB strut bearings and they are notchy and noisy; not smooth. They were different in that the new ones use steel roller/needle bearings on plastic, as the originals were all plastic; going to throw those back on since they looked good, the KYB's were already bought...now I get to return them.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 3:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Rear shocks. What cha' rockin'? Reply with quote

burntorange84 wrote:
I didn't get a PM but I sent you one.


Got it, thanks.
I'll hit up Monroe.
Unfortunately I couldn't find my old shocks so I'm stuck with the OE Spectrums for now.
Hopefully I'll get this sorted before vacation.

'06 MPV-LX, '10 Mazda3;
'60 Volvo PV544, '68 122S, '70 145S, '86 745T, '95 854T, '01 S40;
'84 Prelude.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Rear shocks. What cha' rockin'? Reply with quote

burntorange84 wrote:
I didn't get a PM but I sent you one.


I just sent you a somewhat longwinded PM reply.
If you didn't get it, I'll reiterate it here.

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'60 Volvo PV544, '68 122S, '70 145S, '86 745T, '95 854T, '01 S40;
'84 Prelude.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Rear shocks. What cha' rockin'? Reply with quote

The OE units are Tokico. I've been searching high and low for a set of Tokico HP (blues) or Trekmasters.

I have always liked the Tokico shocks in everything else I've driven.

2003 ES - Coastal Blue Metallic - Side Airbags - Power Sliding Doors - Leather - Rear A/C (Original Options)

Self installed rear heat; heated mirrors, fog lights, large wiper bottle, Heavy duty wiper motor. Working on the whole 4-Seasons Package; Just need a transmission cooler.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 9:14 am    Post subject: Re: Rear shocks. What cha' rockin'? Reply with quote

Epilogue:

So I ended up replacing the Monroe OE Spectrum rear shocks with Mazda dealer (Tokico) units and took the car on a 600 mile vacation to northwest Maine as a shakedown run. To me, the Tokicos performed well. Though it's tough to recall how the van felt 10 years ago when it was new, I'd say they were more than up to the task.

Did some additional research and found out Tokico's part numbers are E4106 for the rear shocks; B3200 for the RF strut and B3201 for the LF strut. Good luck finding those numbers for sale somewhere. I didn't see anything on the internet. This leads me to believe that these part numbers are specific to the MPV only. At least for the rear, but you never know. My personal opinion is that the MPV was never a particularly popular vehicle so that may explain something.

I got in touch with Monroe and sent my 7-month used OE Spectrum shocks back to them after having a conversation with technical support. I was skeptical that they would refund anything, but to my delight, Monroe warranty was very helpful. It did take a few easy phone calls back and forth, but they ended up sending me a refund for what I originally paid for the shocks - less tax, shipping etc. I'm fine with that. I was pleased that they stood behind their product and I would still recommend Monroe products - just not for the MPV.

I guess my bottom line opinion is to go with the factory parts for the rear shocks.

P.S. Shout-out to burntorange84 for the help.

'06 MPV-LX, '10 Mazda3;
'60 Volvo PV544, '68 122S, '70 145S, '86 745T, '95 854T, '01 S40;
'84 Prelude.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 5:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Rear shocks. What cha' rockin'? Reply with quote

Tien Low Down Master Coilover setup. Shock is rebuildable and is feels fantasticly firm. Sorry for crappy pic.


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