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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2002 12:39 am    Post subject: Anyone Change Their Own Oil in a 2002 MPV? Reply with quote

We are at the point of doing an early second oil change (5,000 miles) on our
2002 MPV and wanted to know if anyone else does their own oil changes? My
first oil change (3k miles) was done by the dealer, but it cost $30, was out
of the way, required an appointment, they refused to put 5w-20 oil in it,
and the "genuine" Mazda oil filter they installed has a slight leak around
the seal. Needless to say, I think we'll do our own oil, filters, tire
rotations, etc., and just take it to the dealer for the bigger maintenance
stuff (not that I feel any better about them doing that, but...). I'm going
to put Ford Certified 5w-20 back in there for this oil change, and then
continue doing my own oil changes every 5k miles as recommended.
After rolling under the engine compartment, there is a plastic faring bolted
in place that will probably have to be removed to more easily get at the
filter and part of the exhaust system is very much in the way so it will
probably mean a cooler/cold oil change rather than the recommended warmed up
engine procedure. I figured a piece of foil over the exhaust piece would
help keep any oil drips from the filter change off the hot pipe, but who
wants to risk burning their hands for an oil filter? So, I'll either change
it warm/cold or I'll probably use one of the big plastic filter sockets with
a socket wrench/extension. The owners manual claims that only a Mazda
dealer should change the oil filter because a special tool is needed to
tighten the filter. Who thinks the above described filter socket wrench
thing is the special tool? There's plenty of room for a hand up there once
you get your wrist past the hot exhaust pipe, and rule of thumb for modern
vehicles seems to be just to hand-tighten the filter snuggly. Anyone know
of anything different for the MPV?
Also, the drain bolt appears to have a rather large plastic fitting/washer
around it. Anyone know if this is a one-time use washer or is it fine to
just reuse it? The procedure for changing the oil in the book (which does
say that the owner can change their own oil, but not the filter) doesn't
mention anything about using a new washer.
Just FYI, the part of the exhaust system that's in the way of the filter is
probably part of the catalytic converter -- there appears to be an oxygen
sensor or possibly a temperature sensor right there in the pipe, in the way
enough that a careless Jiffy Luber or dealership tech could easily bump it,
disconnect it, etc., causing the ol' check-engine light to come on.
Something to keep in mind if such a thing occurs immediately after an oil
change.
Also FYI, I noticed a local AutoZone advertising that they will scan the
OBDII computer on your car for free if you have a check-engine light on.
Sounds like a good deal to me since most dealerships will charge you for at
least an hour of labor to do the same. I've been heavily considering buying
a scanning device for the MPV (one that uses a laptop computer is about
$120). I had one for my VW Eurovan and actually was able to solve a lot of
the problems I encountered myself, including creating "readiness codes",
resetting irrelevant check-engine lights and service reminders, etc. It was
very reassuring to check the status before taking the van on a long trip,
and although I haven't had anywhere near the number of problems with my MPV
(thus far -- knock on wood!) that I had with my Eurovan, I still miss having
the OBDII scanner.
Thanks for any info anyone can provide on the oil change.
Chris
02 MPV ES
"MPoohV"
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2002 9:05 am    Post subject: Anyone Change Their Own Oil in a 2002 MPV? Reply with quote

Chris,
There are socket type filter wrenches available for the Motorcraft FL820S
filter used on the Duratec 3.0L. The filter has 36 flutes and is 93mm in
diameter. Alittle different from Fram, Wix and other filters. I do
recommend the wrench due to the tight clearances underneith. Like you
mention the exhaust manifold, O2 sensor, and as I remember an AC hose. With
this socket-type wrench (as opposed to a universal band type) you should not
disturb anything. I'm radical, I actually cut a notch out of the plastic
flaring for filter removal. Yes it may allow more water to splash up but
none of my other vehicles have such a cover and I did not want to have to
remove it during every oil change. I do think with the wrench we describe
the filter could be removed without doing anything as the plastic flaring is
quite flexible. Over the years I figured it would crack so I chose to cut a
notch out. For warranty reasons etc. you may choose not to do this.
Perfectly understandable.
Lastly, the oil pan plug takes a 15mm socket, and it is reusable. No change
of the plug seal is generally required. I used 5.5 qts of Castrol 5-20W
which meets the more stringent Ford specification.
Art
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2002 9:36 am    Post subject: Anyone Change Their Own Oil in a 2002 MPV? Reply with quote

I always change my own as well. I remember someone on the Edmunds board
saying that he changed his without removing the splash cover, but I always
remove the 3 bolts to give myself a little more room.
-DMC
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2002 10:35 am    Post subject: Anyone Change Their Own Oil in a 2002 MPV? Reply with quote

I just tried to remove the filter with a strap wrench just yesterday.
I was unsuccessful. It was my first attempt since I just turned 3000
miles
. I did remove the splash gaurd but didn't have any ramps.
Although I don't think they would have helped, the with the strap
wrench you only have about 1 inch to move the thing. Anyway I would
like to know where I can purchase the socket type filter wrench you
describe below for the Motorcraft FL820S filter.
Thanks,
Jeff Nowak
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2002 12:02 pm    Post subject: Anyone Change Their Own Oil in a 2002 MPV? Reply with quote

You should get the plastic filter cap type wrench that
you can buy at any autostore. I saw one the other day
that fits three sizes of filters so you do not have to
have multiple sizes.
However, for the MPV lots of us have choosen the K&N
filter. It is I believe HP2010 ($9.99). I particularly
like this filter because it has a 1" nut on the end of
it. This makes it easy to slip a box end on and
tighten. You will notice that on the MPV you can not
put it on hand tight. It must be tightened with a
wrench of some type. If you do not the pressure will
blow the filter right off. On the other hand you can
not tighten soo hard that you warp the gasket. I put
mine on almost a full turn past the initial contact.
I never have any trouble and I am running the Castrol
synthetic 10-30w.
Save your receipts!!! Mazda will dishonor the warranty
or at least try it you can not prove that you have
done the changes.
Good Luck
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2002 12:49 pm    Post subject: Anyone Change Their Own Oil in a 2002 MPV? Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2002 7:58 pm    Post subject: Anyone Change Their Own Oil in a 2002 MPV? Reply with quote

There has been at least one if not more reports of the oil filter backing off. Most are caught when they are just leaking and causing a drip on the garage floor. I had this happen to me but it was on a F150. It's very scary to see 5 + quarts of oil on the driveway. Plus it makes a hellva mess. If it happens on the freeway you may not be able to stop the damage as was previously reported. I believe this is why Mazda wants the dealers to change it to make sure the filter is on tight.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2002 11:45 pm    Post subject: Anyone Change Their Own Oil in a 2002 MPV? Reply with quote

Thanks to everyone responding to this thread. The info helped a lot or at
least confirmed my own theories. Although I have a oil filter socket type
device, after checking it more closely (been on the shelf for a while since
the last vehicle had a filter element and not the filter canister) it will
not work on the Mazda/Ford type notched filters. So I picked up the same
type of socket (from Wal-Mart -- $4 US) just newer and it does work.
Speaking of receipts and warranty problems -- don't be surprised if Mazda
voids your warranty for using synthetic oil. They flat out say that it is
not recommended for use in any of their MPVs. Then again, they also
specifically say in the book that you have to use 5w-20 and no other grade,
yet all of their dealerships in this area use 5w-30. They did respond to my
email about 5w-30, telling me that it was okay for the dealerships to use
5w-30 and it would not void my warranty, but they did specifically state in
the same email that I should not use synthetic or even a mix of synthetic
and dino. They didn't go so far as to say that synthetic oil would void my
warranty, but I bet if you ended up with oil leaks or something more
drastic, that's the very first thing they would blame it on with the second
being that you changed your own oil.
Chris
02 MPV ES
"MPoohV"
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2002 11:59 pm    Post subject: Anyone Change Their Own Oil in a 2002 MPV? Reply with quote

I don't think there is anything special about the 2002 MPV regarding the MPV oil
change. The engine blocks for the 2.5L ande 3L duratec are essentially the
same, with the exception of the bore, which makes the 3L a greater displacement
engine.
The washer you refer to has been used over and over again in both my 2000 MPV
and my 98 SVT Contour, without drama.
You should be able to get the filter out without much work on the exhaust, but
yes, if warm, gloves are a good choice.
You will need 6 quarts of oil to do the change.
I don't know what special tool they were thinking about, since I can get the
filter off by hand. I do use the K&N filters that have a 1" nut fitting at the
end, so that is also an option.
Hope this helps.
TB
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2002 2:59 am    Post subject: Anyone Change Their Own Oil in a 2002 MPV? Reply with quote

I believe they would have a very hard time with that
excuse. After all the syn's do meet or exceed their
recommendations. I believe the reason they don't
recommend them is because they never tested them. That
is a pretty weak arguement when you consider that
syn's are much better on the engine. They just want
you to use the 5-20w so they can say they meet the
higher emissions, they have said themselves it is not
performance based.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2002 4:59 am    Post subject: Anyone Change Their Own Oil in a 2002 MPV? Reply with quote

You're right John. The only reason Mazda, and other makers
for that matter, ?don't recommend' synth is b/c Legal tells
them they can't, b/c the car wasn't tested with it. No other reason. They cannot bar you from using oil that
meets or exceeds their standards, syth or dino, and they cannot hold it against
you for putting either type in.
OTOH, the oil filter is a touchy situation, but we've discussed
that a ton (get the K?-)



/Scott
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2002 9:43 am    Post subject: Anyone Change Their Own Oil in a 2002 MPV? Reply with quote

It is 5.5 quarts of oil. 1/2 quart remains in the engine even with filter
change.
Art
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2002 11:51 am    Post subject: Anyone Change Their Own Oil in a 2002 MPV? Reply with quote

Yes Java, us old hands have had this discussion for
almost three years now. I remember it being just as
hotly debated on the Townhall prior to Alex becoming
an MPVer. I normally run dino in all my vehicles but
thats because I am a cheap *&^*&^@. It was yours and
TB's convincing words about syn that have me running
syn in the MPV. I think we all happened along the K&N
along the same time.
So a word to the wise to you younguns, listen to Java
and TB. I've put on 54k with no difficulties (knock on
wood). The only exception being the tranny that shifts
briskly, but that is "within specifications".
Arggggghh
I think next year I will have to take a serious look
at purchasing a 2002 maybe a 2003 from a rental
agency and let them take the hit on depreciation.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2002 1:20 am    Post subject: Anyone Change Their Own Oil in a 2002 MPV? Reply with quote

I guess it depends on what you call "performance". MazdaUSA told me that
they require it for better MPG, and that if I use 5w-30 it would affect my
gas mileage. If you mean performance as in how it holds up to the task of
lubricating the engine, I'm sure it does fine and anyone else can believe
what they want, but I think that the stringent oil requirements and filters
that require (haha) "special tools" to tighten them are just scare tactics
to bring more money into the dealers' service centers. The funny part is
that my dealer puts in 5w-30. Honestly, I'm surprised to not find a Fram
filter under there -- my dealerships in this area don't seem to take
MazdaUSA's recommendations on the MPV to heart.
I think they would have a very hard time with any type of excuse for blaming
an engine problem under warranty on an owner changing their own oil. If
anyone finds themselves under these circumstances, the best bet would be get
an oil sample and send it off to one of those independent labs that analyze
engine oil for about $20 for the curious minded consumer or garage mechanic.
You get back a pretty sophisticated analysis that will tell you things like
if you have coolant in your oil, pieces of metal, the approximate age of the
oil, how far "gone" it is, etc. Results like that would be priceless if
Mazda started getting nasty about a warranty issue. It would be far better
proof than a Wal-Mart receipt for oil that doesn't show any labor or the day
it was actually changed. I usually buy my oil well in advance of the next
oil change, so it could look pretty bad if they just went by the date on the
receipt. FYI, the oil analysis is a good thing to do with just about all
new cars at least once to see how things are working in there. It's at a
negligible cost.
Chris
02 MPV ES
"MPoohV"
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