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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 4:36 am    Post subject: Re: Spare Tire Winch Assembly Problem. Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:41 am    Post subject: Re: Spare Tire Winch Assembly Problem. Reply with quote

louieo wrote:
Just had the same problem. What happen then to the complaint to transport Canada ? Just curious . . .

Recently I had a flat tire. When i tried to lower my spare, it did not. When I unscrew the knob to lower it, the tire does not go down. I looked at the bottom, the cable is loosed, i can shake the spare tire, tried to pull the tire down, but somehow it is still stuck in the middle. I borrowed a spare from a friend who has a mazda van also. I noticed in his van that, there is a mechanism that locks the lever and a thing that holds the spare somehow releases. This did not happen to my winch assembly. I did not locked and did not released the spare.

- Can I force remove the spare tire ?
- Can I remove the winch assembly even if the spare is still attached ?
- Any other suggestion how to release/remove the locking mechanism on the spare tire ?

Your help is highly appreciated. Thanks

That's my exact problem. I just tried the thing for the first time yesterday.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Spare Tire Winch Assembly Problem. Reply with quote

We ran over a nail and one of the tires on our 2002 MPV went flat in our driveway. I wanted to take the tire off and put the spare on for the night, so I could get the tire plugged first thing in the morning. This was the first time the spare tire carrier had EVER been used. I was pretty methodical about the whole process, but my cable assembly was destroyed when I went to stow the spare under the car again. I'm kicking myself for not just leaving the van up on the jack overnight. After Mazda told me what a new carrier cost, I wrapped the spare in the white plastic bag that Mazda included with our jack and threw it in the trunk. Given that the trunk isn't too big to start, it's a royal PITA. This has been one in a series of malfunctions we've faced this year. I just had to replace my small sedan with a new vehicle. I considered the Mazda3, but ultimately went with a Civic. Hoping it'll be a more reliable product. When the time comes, I won't be replacing this vehicle with another Mazda product either. It's ashame because I like the features and driveability of their cars. I've just had it with the repairs.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Spare Tire Winch Assembly Problem. Reply with quote

Hello Everyone,
I just joined the Club and am very impressed at the knowledge and information sharing going on.

I wanted to add my $0.02 worth about the spare tire winch problem.

I am the original owner of a 00 MPV LX and reasonably happy. I was very religious about having it dealer maintained, parked inside the garage etc. Well when I had to use the winch for the first time last year ~70k miles to remove a tire that had been punctured I too encountered the same problem. I noticed as I was raising the spare tire back in place and rotating the handle, it felt like the mechanism was binding. I backed it off a few turns and then tried again with more effort. A bit too much because suddenly the mechanism came loose and I no longer could raise the cable. I now carry the sapre in the back and used a plastic tie strap to keep the now-dangling steel cable in place

This was my first time using the winch (nice) Crying or Very sad and I complained and appealed to the dealer, but to no avail. Best I could get was a $100 credit. I agree this is a serious design flaw and the engineer who designed it should be shot.

Let me know if there is anything we can collectively do.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 10:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Spare Tire Winch Assembly Problem. Reply with quote

Hey Zoomer, could be worse. I mean, what if you had to be a LIONS fan?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Spare Tire Winch Assembly Problem. Reply with quote

Ive never used mine since we bought the car new in 2002. I called the extended warranty service line, and the winch is covered, Im bringing the car in on monday, but i might try on sunday to winch down the tire. If it fails good timing,before the warranty runs out>

(I didnt even know I had a winch)
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Spare Tire Winch Assembly Problem. Reply with quote

On the bright side, it show's how far tire manufacturers have come, if so many of us have had the cars for years and never needed to use the spare! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 3:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Spare Tire Winch Assembly Problem. Reply with quote

Howdy Fitzguam.
The Lions aren't sooo bad. It 's really the Lions managment (Greg Millen) that's the real problem.

Oh well another typical season, at least we have the Pistons and Tigers to look forward to.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Spare Tire Winch Assembly Problem. Reply with quote

Count me in too. Used for the first time since I bought the van new.

Winch broke when I was putting the spare back. The little turning knob sheered off after I turned it too many times. My 9yrd old daughter and I took turns turning it and broke it after 30 minutes. The spare never went fully back up.

Fix-a-flat is my new spare.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:40 am    Post subject: Re: Spare Tire Winch Assembly Problem. Reply with quote

Hi,

Anybody found a fix on this yet? or are all of you still driving around with the spare on the back? I bought a used 2000 MPV a year ago, went to use the spare, came down easy, raised up cable, got tired fixed, went to put tire back on and cable wont come down... anyone know what happened to the Canada Recall?

Thanks... any help is appreciated.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Spare Tire Winch Assembly Problem. Reply with quote

Same problem with our 2002, the winch is basically seized up. Thank God it seized up when I jacked the spare tire up, otherwise it would be hanging in mid air!

I am wondering if I can remove the winch assembly and use a nice long grade 8 bolt to hold down the spare tire where it normally is? And to remove it, just use a pair of 10-12mm wrenches?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Spare Tire Winch Assembly Problem. Reply with quote

Hi,

Found this... not really keen on going with the unsafe fixes but I'm going to check if it's not just the safety latch and not the cable tangled or plastic in the winch being broke... I also have a friend that works at a Mazda Dealer I asked him to talk to some of the techs to see if they know anything... I'll keep you posted.

http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f0fb5e5


"If the spare tire will not lower, the solution is not simple. Please bear with my rather lengthy explanation.

The spare carrier for this vintage Mazda MPV is one of the poorest designs I have seen in nearly 40 years of practice as a mechanical engineer but letís focus on getting the spare tire removed and not deficiencies of the design. There may be more than one problem but, if your spare tire will drop down about an inch and then wonít go any further, the problem is a stuck safety catch and not a broken winch mechanism. On the top of the fixture on the end of the cable that holds the tire up, there is a spool about an inch long and about three-fourths inch in diameter. There is a thick ridge around the top of this spool. When the spare tire is winched all of the way up, this spool goes into a hole in the bottom of the carrier and activates a mechanism that locks around the spool keeping it from sliding out in case the cable breaks. To make sure that the safety mechanism is engaged, it is linked to a similar mechanism on the top side of the carrier where you insert the wrench to lower and raise the tire. However, this one works just the opposite. When the tire is raised all of the way up, it opens and allows the special wrench to be inserted or removed. When the tire goes down, it locks around the wrench so that it cannot be removed. The idea is to make sure you fully raise the tire and engage the safety mechanism before the wrench is removed.

At least that is the way it is supposed to work. Given the location and all of the salt, mud, water, etc. that gets thrown up onto the carrier, it should be no surprise that it does not always work just right, especially if it hasnít moved for many years. If you insert the lowering wrench, give it a couple of turns in the correct direction and the mechanism does not lock around the wrench, the safety catch on the bottom has not released either. You can pull and pry and twist and cuss all you want, you will not get the spare tire to go any lower (I know from first hand experience).

No guarantees, but your best bet now is a pair of long nose pliers, a medium size flat screwdriver, and a can of WD40 with the long, skinny tube to direct the spray. Leave the tire in this slightly lowered position. You should see the mechanism that is supposed to slide out over the lowering wrench sticking out just a bit from under the rim from which you removed the plug that allows you to insert the wrench. There should be two of them more-or-less on opposite sides. Spray the WD40 horizontally back along these mechanisms getting it to go as far back into works as you can. Hopefully, you will be able to wiggle them a bit with the screwdriver to help work the WD40 back into where it needs to be. Now pry with the screwdriver and pull with long-nose pliers to try to get the locking mechanism to move towards the center like it should. Once it does, it will also release the safety catch on the bottom and allow the spare tire to drop down. Donít expect this fix to be a 5-second solution. With 10 minutes or so of prying and pulling along with additional squirts of WD40 and a few choice swear words thrown in for good measure, you may be able to get the mechanism to release. In the seven years I have owned the vehicle, I have had to remove the spare twice, separated about five years in time, and it worked for me both times.

If you just cranked the winch a few turns down and stopped before going through the above process, you should be home free once the safety catch releases. Go ahead and lower the tire and remove it per the instructions in the manual. You will probably have to fiddle with the mechanism on top to be able to get the lowering wrench inserted but, if you got that far, this step will be a piece of cake. However, if you cranked and cranked trying to get the tire to come down before you figured out it was not going to come down, you may well have the cable all balled up inside the winch as well (I also know this from experience). Once the safety mechanism has released and the tire is supported by the cable, you may have to work the crank back and forth quite a bit along with some tugging on the tire to get the cable to extend. It took me a while but, with a lot of work, I was able to slowly get the cable to extend all of the way out. That exercise took another 15 minutes or so. With my second experience, I knew enough to quit cranking before I messed up the cable and it worked just fine once I got the safety mechanism to release.

Is there a fix? For a handful of $100 bills, the dealer will replace the carrier assembly. I see no reason to expect a new one to be any better than the old one. The problem is a bad design, not a specific faulty part, as best I can tell. The simplest solution is to put the spare tire in the back end of the van, wind the carrier all of the way up, and forget it was ever there. If you donít like that idea, I can offer two other solutions but keep in mind that both involve defeating the safety device. Before you do either one, think about the spare tire coming loose and flip-flopping end over end under your van at highway speeds. The result is not likely to be pretty under the best of circumstances and could be fatal.

The first solution is to cut two pieces of wood (or whatever) about ĺ inch square and about 10 inches long. Lay them on the top of the spare tire, one on either side and raise the tire until it wonít go up any more. The blocks will keep the tire assembly from going up far enough to engage the safety latch. You may have to fiddle with the mechanism a bit to get the lowering wrench out and get it back in the next time you want to lower the tire, but that should not be a major challenge. Also, the tire will protrude a bit and be slightly visible from the side of the van. The advantage of this solution is that it does not permanently alter the carrier. If you ever decide you want to go back to the way it was originally, all you have to do is pull out the blocks and crank the tire all of the way up. The second solution is to grind the ridge off of the top of the spool described previously. Without the ridge, it wonít make any difference whether the safety mechanism releases or not as there will be nothing for it to catch on. Be very careful not to damage the cable as you will then indeed have created a potentially serious hazard and there will be no safety backup. The advantage of this solution is that the tire will raise all of the way up into the carrier and the lowering wrench should be released. The disadvantage is that you have permanently disabled the safety latch.

Perhaps the best solution of all is to carry a can of Fix-a-Flat and forget the spare tire."

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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 4:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Spare Tire Winch Assembly Problem. Reply with quote

Hi,

nothing from my friend at the dealer but I was in TJ at a bicycle shop and had my tire in the back and the guy from the tire shop said he'd fix the winch for $2.50 so I told him to give it a go and voilŗ:!: kind of makes you think the assholes at the dealer are over charging? hahaha Laughing

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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 7:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Spare Tire Winch Assembly Problem. Reply with quote

This type of winch cable assembly is used in many pickup trucks, SUVs, and other minivans as well.

Currently, mine is in good shape, however I am preparing for the time that it will fail.


One thing that I've noticed is that larger trucks are up higher and most other vehicles mount the spare in the center, behind the rear axle.

Closer to the side of the vehicle, between the two axles, and down low subjects the assembly to much more moisture spray, dirt, and in the case of rust belt vehicles, salt.

It may not be poor design, but poor placement.


The Dodge Caravan/Chrysler Town and Country of this vintage have a similar setup and are placed in a similar location. They also have similar problems.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Spare Tire Winch Assembly Problem. Reply with quote

Not sure how much this helps anyone at this point, but my 06 MPV has the exact same problem, with the broken plastic and damaged cable. I bought two from a wrecking yard and both were just the same. Another problem with the placement/positioning of the spare is that the spare becomes a nice dish-shaped object collecting salt, water and mud, eventually leading to major corrosion of the spare tire rim. Happened on both my 02 mpv and my 06 mpv.
Was hoping to find a solution here, but alas it looks like I will have to keep driving around with the spare attached to the third row seat.

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